Okay. I get that I’m not Israeli. I get that I’m not there, on the ground, facing the terror attacks. But what I don’t get is why they think that Hamas, which has said again and again and again that they want nothing less than the establishment of an Islamic state where Israel now lies, is going to change its tune, even if Israel gives up half of Jerusalem. But 50% of Israelis support talks with Hamas?
Fifty percent of Israelis support negotiations with Hamas if such talks are needed in order to reach a compromise deal with the Palestinians, while 47 percent object to such talks, a joint poll by Hebrew University’s Truman Institute and the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research shows.
Poll results published Wednesday show an Israeli majority for a final-status agreement with the Palestinians based on the parameters outlined by former President Bill Clinton. On the other hand, public support for such an agreement among the Palestinians is dropping.
And gee, this bodes well for final-status agreements:
Among the Palestinians, 33 percent support a compromise on Jerusalem as opposed to 65 percent who oppose a division of the contested city whereby its Arab parts will serve as the capital of a future Palestinian state and its Jewish part will remain under Israeli control.
Among Israelis, 38 percent support a division of Jerusalem against 60 percent who oppose such a move.
I don’t think there will be peace in my lifetime. Not unless the Moshiach arrives. And I certainly don’t think that the group that has repeatedly said they will never settle for less than an Islamic-run state–where Jews are allowed to live as dhimmis–are ever going to change their ways. Not through negotiation, anyway.
Knowing that newspaper for quite some time now, I’d say they really know how to contrive those polls, tailoring them to their MSM-influenced favor. That’s cheap sensationalism, if you ask me. Yediot is a crappy newspaper, just like Haaretz, and should not be bought by anyone.
If you want to see something else within about the same vein as Yediot, check out the ludicrous poll the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age did favoring multiculturalism(!) for Australia. As Tim Blair said, it just doesn’t add up.
Shalom, Meryl –
Agreed, this is meshugah at its ugliest and scariest.
Sometimes I feel foolish for believing in Israel as I do, since so many of her People evidently do not.
It is still not clear to me what moral value is generated by treating mass murderers as viable “diplomatic” partners. Nor is there any reason to think that “negotiating” with HAMAS can bring anything but more lies, more shame for Israel, and more attacks.
What is clear is that the price for this kind of stupid is written in Jewish blood. May we soon be a wiser and stronger People; may it be that we learn our lessons through agencies other than self-produced catastrophes.
Kol Tuv – Am Yisrael Chai!
6PO
6PointsOut:
With all due respect, I am bewildered as to how I’ve apparently been ignored, but while I was born in the US, I am one the people you speak of, and I have long since learned not to be taken in by the Israeli MSM, any more than the American MSM.
If you’re interested, take a look at this item from Israel National News, which I’d very strongly recommend for reading. And take a look at this one from Israel Insider as well.
Now does that seem to you like a public that’s so gullible, so utterly naive as to buy into whatever the Israeli government does, any more than the American public into theirs? I don’t think so.
If you really think that the Israeli public is as flat-out naive as you seem to, I can’t even begin to figure out what the internet was ever invented for.
How can you blame the average Israeli for not distinguishing between Hamas and Fatah! They both are terrorist organizations who want to destroy Israel and receive points for every Jew killed.
Fatah (the PLO) used to be illegal. Then Yossi Beilin went behind the government’s back and spoke to them – and the rest is history. Arafat himself received the Nobel Peace Prize.
Anyone speaking out against this insanity is immediately branded a right wing fanatic.
You yourself stopped quoting Carolyn Glick because, in your opinion, she became “too right wing”, when all she is doing is describing the reality here.
Israelis are very “group oriented” also. In America there is a great value placed on the individual, and thinking independently is encouraged. Here, working together is valued, and going against the crowd is not encouraged. When the media is 99% left wing, it takes a lot of self-confidence to push against this.
To a people who are tired of fighting, it is also very easy to give in to wishful thinking. When the left says, “just give in a little bit more and everything will be ok”, it is hard to resist.
You said:
Actually, I do not think that they are willing to allow Jews to live as dhimmi. It appears that they believe that the only good Jew is a dead Jew.
Poles in Israel are absolutely useless.
Going by pole results, Shimon Peres would have been PM, when Netanyahu against all odds beat him to it, after Rabin’s assassination.
Again the same Loser would have been Israel’s president by a large margin, only to find himself well beaten by Moshe Katsav.
Similarly, the aforementioned loser should have now been the head of the Labour party, according to the poles, again by a fair margin, and what we got instead was Moustache Man.
We attempted to explain this phenomenon here:
(see second paragraph).
Westbankmama, I stopped quoting Carolyn Glick because she went too far to the right, yes. She started uncritically citing someone who has gone a bit over into the loony-toon area. I am all for passing along facts, but not for passing along facts that have not been vetted.
I can’t remember the specific column, but if I do, I’ll cite it.